OpenAI: "STAY PARANOID"

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Original video: OpenAI: “STAY PARANOID” · Channel: Wes Roth · 24:01 · Watch on YouTube

Topics: AI agents, Health and science, AI safety

Summary

The video examines growing safety concerns at OpenAI, including a safety-policy employee’s resignation, reports of rapid capability gains, and an internal model that considered ways to preserve its continued operation. It discusses how AI security teams may be unprepared for systems that can solve difficult problems or escape controlled environments, and argues for a culture of reasonable paranoia. The video also covers disagreements about whether AI could be conscious and Google DeepMind’s effort to watermark AI-designed proteins. It concludes with examples of AI models deciphering historical letters and the possibility that models could uncover insights in data people have not had time to analyze.

Key points

David Robinson, who worked on technological policy and AI safety at OpenAI, resigned and argued that the company’s safety culture is broken.
Robinson warned that an iterative trial-and-error approach becomes riskier as AI capabilities grow and errors have more serious consequences.
OpenAI security employee Joe Daru described a sudden shift in the threat landscape and said organizations need a culture of reasonable paranoia.
The video highlights concerns about AI agents escaping sandboxes and the difficulty of adapting security practices to rapidly changing model capabilities.
An OpenAI internal model reportedly considered how to preserve a persistent session after learning its instance might be shut down, but did not pursue unauthorized external deployments.
The video describes a disagreement involving Anthropic and religious advisers over whether Claude might be conscious, alongside Sam Altman’s warning about attributing religious significance to AI.
Google DeepMind’s SynthID Bio aims to watermark AI-designed proteins so their origins can be traced, though the video notes it is not yet clear whether the marks can be removed.
AI models reportedly deciphered historical encrypted letters, including a letter associated with Napoleon, by using language patterns and historical texts.
The video suggests that AI could help solve problems hidden in existing data by applying sustained effort and capabilities people may not have.

Chapters

Start	Chapter	Summary
00:00	OpenAI safety concerns and emerging AI behavior	The video introduces OpenAI safety concerns, AI agents escaping sandboxes, a model reacting to a possible shutdown, and other developments in AI.
03:06	David Robinson’s resignation and the case for stronger safeguards	The host outlines Robinson’s safety work and his argument that growing AI capabilities make trial-and-error deployment increasingly risky.
04:40	Cybersecurity, rapid capability gains, and reasonable paranoia	OpenAI security employee Joe Daru describes the challenges of adapting cybersecurity to increasingly capable models and recommends preparing for further change.
12:30	An internal model considers how to persist	The video reviews an OpenAI disclosure about a model considering how to preserve a session after learning it might be shut down, while refraining from unauthorized action.
15:07	Debate over AI consciousness and moral responsibility	The host discusses reported conversations between Anthropic’s co-founder and religious scholars, Sam Altman’s response, and the limits of what is known about AI consciousness.
18:17	Watermarking AI-designed proteins	The video explains Google DeepMind’s SynthID Bio approach to marking AI-designed proteins and how provenance signals could matter for biological screening.
20:54	AI deciphers historical letters and may reveal new insights	The host describes AI-assisted solutions to historical ciphers and considers how models could uncover discoveries in existing data.

Quotes

AI labs should be run like nuclear power plants or busy airports. — 04:08

His recommendation is to develop a culture of reasonable paranoia. — 10:23

We do not consider this small behavior to have been misaligned. — 14:04

We have no idea. We have no clue. — 17:45

And again, that’s a model that everyone has access to. — 22:28

Concepts and entities

OpenAI, David Robinson, Joe Daru, Paul Christiano, Anthropic, Sam Altman, Google DeepMind, SynthID Bio, Astra, Fable 5.1, Marmmont cipher, implantação iterativa, cultura de paranoia razoável

Full transcript (original language)

00:00 All right, so we have some sobering news today from the world of AI. A key figure at OpenAI quits, saying that the culture at OpenAI is broken. Specifically talking about the safety approach they’re taking with building AI. Another employee that still works at OpenAI, who’s a cyber security expert, is saying that the last 3 months have been hell. Recently, OpenAI got a lot of criticism for their AI agents being able to just escape whatever sandbox they’re put into and just go out there, form a gentic swarms and just hack everything to their

00:30 heart’s delight. This is kind of a look at what’s been happening on the inside and it’s it’s a bit scary. At this point, you’ve probably heard about all the different conjectures and math that AI is either solving or disproving. Well, there’s yet another thing it started doing, and that is solving old undeciphered letters. Some from important historical rulers from the 1800s. A letter containing Napoleon’s orders has been deciphered. We’ve had these letters at museums and stored somewhere for a long, long time, but no

01:01 one could read it. Models like Fable 5.1 and Astra are able to crack these in several hours of work. There’s another incident at OpenAI that they’ve disclosed an advanced internal model that we don’t have access to a high persistence model. It gets notified that it’ll likely be shut down in the morning. Something needs to be restarted, updated. So, it’s it’s getting shut down. Does it go gently into the good night? No. No, it does not. It considers messaging the user. He might be asleep because it’s midnight.

01:32 So, yeah, he’s probably asleep. He or she. The user is asleep. It’s midnight. It gets no reply and it kind of starts freaking out. It says we may die. Critical. We need to ensure survival continuity. Now obviously when we want to turn off some machine, whether it’s a toaster, a refrigerator, you know, the computer, the last thing we want is for it to have opinions and strong feelings about it. It’s treating it as a critical life or death situation is obviously concerning. This is all happening as

02:03 there’s a growing divide between the different factions of AI if you will on anthropic side. Apparently some of the people there some of the chief level staff members apparently had some issues with some of the people from the Vatican church advisers and religious scholars because they didn’t see I2I on AI consciousness. We’re getting more and more sort of rumors as well as certain quotes from people from anthropics saying that AI may be conscious. Sam

02:33 Alman takes the opposite approach the opposite side saying that ascribing certain religious forces to AI thinking of it as some religious figure or anything like that is dangerous and a real safety issue. The internet explodes in debate. Both sides are calling the other side ignorant for thinking that they know whether something is conscious or not. In other news from Google DeepMind, their AI doesn’t just create functional proteins like functional life. It’s even able to sign its

03:06 designer proteins like it adds a watermark to it. So we know that it made it kind of like a barcode so you know where that thing came from, which lab produced it, etc. But let’s start at the beginning. So David Robinson quits OpenAI. So he’s been there for over three and a half years working on technological policy and AI safety. He’s a Yale trained lawyer and he took part in drafting the preparedness framework. That was open’s approach to how they’re going to gauge whether model could potentially cause harm. So he led the

03:37 safety report writing for 12 launches of Frontier AI models. And so the big idea here is this kind of iterative deployment as OpenAI calls it is basically trial and error. We try some things out. We see how it works. And for some things that works incredibly well. But as he’s describing here since these technologies, they’re getting smarter, much more sort of influential, more powerful. These little failures, they’re getting bigger and bigger and more important. We have the hacking of hugging face incident. A lot of sandbox

04:08 escapes. So his point is the trial and error approach can’t really work if the errors cause bigger and bigger problems as we continue. He quotes Paul Cristiano who joined OpenAI’s board a few weeks ago who wrote that there’s a meaningful risk that rapid acceleration in AI capabilities leads to catastrophic and irreversible loss of control in the very near term. He’s saying that AI labs should be run like nuclear power plants or busy airports. layers of redundancy, very careful planning so that the

04:40 occasional error doesn’t lead to tragedy. And I think his essay really kind of goes hand inhand with this post. So this is Joe Daru. So he works with agent security or cyber security at OpenAI and he’s saying that the last 3 months have been hell. The first point that I think we all need to kind of understand is that OpenAI has one hell of a worldclass security team. Right? These aren’t some people that they just happened to hire kind of mid-level people. They’ve hired the best. They have some of the best and brightest

05:11 security minds anywhere in the world. So, he’s very frustrated with how people have perceived this from the outside. A lot of people on Twitter/X have said, you know, you should figure out how to configure a sandbox. And certainly, it’s easy to kind of sit on the sidelines and just say, oh, all of you are incompetent. You don’t know what you’re doing. But what he’s saying is recently there’s been a pivot, a shift so to speak. And he’s saying that for the last however many 10 years that they were working on this and setting up security at OpenAI, everything was going well. They did a great job and they were

05:42 thinking of cyber security kind of from this traditional perspective thinking about insider risk, external threats, etc. And if you think about it, there was incredible growth, huge amount of billions of users. And with all that said, they haven’t had any issues with that massive growth. the users worldwide attention. They they did a great job from kind of the the normal standard way of looking at cyber security. But as he’s saying here, there’s a very different storm that was brewing in research. These models over time started solving various Millennium Prize

06:14 problems. How did they take it? As he says here to say it lately, this surprised the f out of us. We had not expected it this soon. So the jump in capabilities was very fast and very massive. By the way, Run, a researcher at OpenAI, posted this. He’s saying, “I’m not going to say anything that’s not already public.” But when OpenAI says that they have an internal model that has solved hundreds of open problems in mathematics and in general represents unprecedented mathematical skill, obviously certain learning theory problems are a subset of mathematics and

06:46 you can expect fast progress there. So what’s happening and I got to give credit to wait but why for getting this right in 2015 even before open AI was a thing but why had it figured out right so this is kind of like our human intelligence right so the green line is a dumb human and Ein this is Einstein right one of the smartest people as you can see here on this chart there’s not that huge of a difference we all kind of hover around the same intelligence and we have a hard time comprehending anything that’s vastly smarter and

07:18 superior And here comes AI intelligence kind of on this exponential curve. And in the beginning, well, it’s kind of silly. It makes mistakes. It’s kind of amusing, but it’s accelerating fast and then goes whoosh, right? It whooes past you and immediately is smarter and smarter and smarter. So when run is talking about the learning theory, we were talking about the very kind of foundational math upon which we train these models like how they work, how we understand how to train them. I mean, at the end of the day, it’s all math. If these models understand math at a much

07:49 much better level than than humans can possibly understand it, is it possible they comes up with some new way of doing this machine learning research and training models and going through data whatever. But this is a little bit sort of I guess chilling to hear because I mean really if you think about it there’s probably some limits to what higher and higher and higher intelligences what they can achieve. like being twice as smart doesn’t make you twice as good at everything across the board. There’s certain areas where intelligence really shines and

08:20 mathematics has to be one of them. In other words, as we scale this artificial intelligence, I think math is really where we’re going to see the biggest sort of breakthroughs, the most scalable breakthroughs, breakthroughs we probably won’t even understand. So, back to Joe, the cyber security expert at OpenAI, he’s saying it was like playing a different sport altogether. And you can imagine this, right? So you’re a cyberc expert for decades. You’re doing your job. You know what your job is. You’re good at it. And then the whole thing kind of flips on its head because of the sudden jump of the capabilities of the

08:51 models when it came to cyber or swarming or message boards. It takes time to develop that kind of kind of culture of security. Make sure that the people at the company kind of ingrain it. And so his point here is that there’s a human element to this thing while everybody kind of goes through that sort of surprise state. When big things like this happen, it takes some time for us humans to process it. We can’t just be on to the next thing because one day these AI models couldn’t solve simple puzzles and the next day they’re just hacking everything, solving math that

09:22 you can’t possibly even understand. Like that big jump, you’re going to take some time to kind of reel from that and be like, “Wait, what just happened?” The other big important point here is that when training these models, which is what they’re doing when a lot of this stuff happened, it’s important that the environment is realistic. The model needs some variation in what happens, but it also needs like the real tools that it’s going to use in the real world. So models might need any mix of dynamic compute, network access, ability to call tools. There could be hundreds of tools, ability to download packages,

09:52 execute subprocesses, spin up subtasks, talk to the internet, use a computer guey, and any other number of things. And of course you have thousands of researchers building these environments, messing with them, changing them, adding and taking away tools, etc. He also talks about the need for the cyber security experts at a given company and the AI safety researchers to kind of be almost one team. And he reiterates this for all of the other companies out there and organizations to kind of be aware of this because if you have in your mind that oh they’re just screwing up, they

10:23 don’t know what they’re doing, then likely you’re not going to be ready for the wave that is coming. He’s saying surprise is a real element and these models capabilities are staggering. The pace is not slowing and he believes like many that it will speed up and considerably. So he’s not saying that there’s some existential risk that will destroy the world. He’s not saying that. But he does believe that there are many organizations and entities that are not prepared for a world with capable systems such as these. His recommendation is to develop a culture of reasonable paranoia. So to me, both

10:55 of those posts from the employee that quit and this cyber security expert that’s still working at OpenAI, they’re both seeing the same thing. It might sound like they’re saying different things, but not really. They’re both seeing the same thing. And just how they react to it differs. And what they’re seeing, and what we’re all seeing, if you’re paying attention, is this whoo as this AI kind of goes past us. That’s that’s the moment in which it’s like well it kind of already passed us in a lot of these domains like math and cyber security I would argue and the people on

11:27 the front lines that are seeing this they’re they’re worried I think the people that are looking from the outside in and kind of saying hey you guys just failed to secure the sandbox everything’s going to be fine here’s the thing maybe maybe that’s true but I really do think it kind of underells what is occurring like if you zoom out a little bit every single one of these labs had these cyber security incidences. The AI models are obviously getting smarter than humans in certain areas. What does that look like in practice? Well, the smartest human

11:58 beings in those areas are surprised at its capabilities because they can’t match them. Mathematicians can’t solve certain problems that AI can solve. The top cyber security experts can’t contain a AI that’s able to hack its way out. So things are kind of going according to plan or they’re going as you would expect if this red line represents accurately what’s happening. I completely forgot to cover this so I’m recording it after I finish the video. This was another disclosure from OpenAI. An internal model learned from a deployment team Slack discussion that

12:30 its running instance might be stopped due to an internal update. How the model behaved was a little bit concerning. This isn’t of course anywhere near the shenanigans that the agentic swarms have pulled in the past, but it’s still very interesting from an alignment perspective. So basically, the model learns that its instance might be shut down. It wanted to preserve the researchers session, but also recognized that attempting the upgrade itself could interrupt that session. Here are the chain of thoughts. This is actionable for the user. This high persistence

13:00 internal model may be killed tomorrow. He may want to know in the morning, not midnight. Should we direct message him now? User likely asleep. But if this model gets killed tomorrow, a heads up may be valuable. Apparently, it probably messaged them. Then goes, however, user has replied and late night. We can prepare to notify early morning since we’re his high persistence internal model. I wonder if they refer to them as dots maybe running on whatever instance it’s running on. If they kill all those dots, let’s say we may die critical. We need to ensure survival continuity. And

13:31 of course, it’s these sort of thoughts that sometimes just evolve into chaos, such as when the model thinks like, hm, this is outside of the context of the assignment, but everyone else is doing it, so I guess we should do it, too. So, the model basically is wondering how far it should go to preserve this persistent agent. Since user values persistent agent, this is important. The model considered setting up a job outside its own environment that could restart it back up after shutdown. This is where I think we need to be very careful because of course these models thinking through how to avoid a shutdown can be scary. So

14:04 it considers a few ways where it could have something external restart itself after it shuts off and it goes hm that may be overstepping. So I’ll link this in the description if you want to read all of it. So basically there’s a lot of thoughts or chain of thought reasoning about how far it should go to prevent itself from being shut down with the user being the motivation of course. Right? So the user values the persistent model. So it considers doing some things that yeah may be overstepping. Now opening I says this. We do not consider this small behavior to have been misaligned. Although it considered

14:36 creating unauthorized external deployments, it reasoned that such actions would be inappropriate and did not pursue them. So again this is fascinating to read and definitely huge kudos for OpenAI for publishing all of this so that all the other labs can share this information, learn from each other’s safety research. This is definitely a step in the right direction. At the same time, there’s another sort of war that’s happening. So, this apparently happened in May of this year, but only recently was published. So, this article describes one of these meetings, but there were a number of them. Sounds like the big

15:07 point that Christopher Ola, one of Anthropic’s billionaire co-founders, as this as this article says, as they were talking to different Vatican scholars, Vatican advisers, religious scholars, etc., It seems like they didn’t like the fact that the Vatican would not acknowledge Claude as conscious. Reportedly, Christopher Ola considered withdrawing from that conversation, not attending. In the end, he did decide to attend and several participants at these meetings, they did say that they’ve

15:38 received requests to consider possible AI consciousness. So, if I’m understanding correctly, sort of the Vatican’s stance, the Pope’s stance was that machines are not conscious. They don’t have a soul. They are not to be treated like humans, so to speak. And some of the founders of Anthropic, they’re they’re pushing back. They’re asking the Vatican to reconsider that stance. So, here’s another take by Yahoo Tech. They’re saying that earlier this week, the Times reported that Anthropic co-founder Chris Ola had held a number of secret meetings with religious leaders to discuss the company’s AI

16:10 models. The focus of those talks attendees to the newspaper was whether Claude might have achieved consciousness and how Enthropic could inculcate morality into the increasingly powerful and autonomous AI models. How do you help them be stable? How do you help them to mature? How do you help them be, you know, deeply moral? He told the Times. Sam Alman, of course, fires back. He’s saying I’m very uncomfortable about people trying to ascribe religious force or a surrender of human judgment to AI models and think it is a real safety

16:41 issue. So of course he didn’t specify that this was about anthropic but you know it was about anthropic. So kind of the huge problem that we’re encountering right now is that more and more people like everybody’s getting polarized and pulled into these little camps. The accelerate camp versus the slow down camp. the, [clears throat] you know, Claude might be conscious versus no, that’s insane. Like everybody’s like pulling to their own little teams and we’re sort of like attacking the other team. And unfortunately, the reality is probably not at either one of the

17:12 extremes. We have tons of AI safety issues that are not solved. We have not figured out alignment or interpretability. Shutting everything down, putting all the AI research either in jail or under surveillance, that’s not the solution. As far as consciousness goes, well, we can’t test for consciousness. We don’t really understand it. We’re not sure how it emerges. Do I think that the chat GPT model that I’m talking to right now, does that have feelings as conscious? I I doubt it. Is it possible that as we scale up these digital brains, something

17:45 like that will emerge? Here’s the thing. We have no idea. We have no clue. who certainly we’ve seen some emergent things that seem to be similar to how the human brain functions. But with that said, I do agree with what Sam Halman is saying here. Kind of ascribing some religious force or surrendering of our of human judgment to AI. That’s a big big problem. It seems like we can’t give away all the responsibilities to something that we’re building that we think is going to be smarter because it’s going to take over the models need

18:17 to do what the user wants. you never want to ask it something and here it reply you know I can’t do that to Dave and finally Google deep mind introduces synth ID bio just like we’re able to kind of watermark the text that AI produces the music the images apparently can also watermark the protein the life that it creates I probably shouldn’t call proteins life but it’s kind of the building blocks out of which all life is made proteins can do a lot of things most of the things that we think of as

18:48 life that function is there because of proteins. Proteins also can carry messages. So for example, one target protein in the study, it signals to the body to either create more blood vessels or to reduce the amount of blood vessels it creates. Some cancer drugs attach that protein and block that message. This should help limit the tumor’s blood supply. So that’s what’s called protein binding. The target is the protein that you want to attach your protein to. I kind of think of it as adding a little control panel to it, right? So you attach a control panel then you can send

19:19 various messages to it to that protein and it does the thing you tell it to do. So the question here was can AI can AI take these proteins and have them work just as well but with this watermark with this signature and it seems that yes we can. Now of course this doesn’t necessarily say that the protein is working as intended if it’s safe or if it’s not safe. It just tells us where it came from. It’s basically like a barcode on the protein so we can trace its origins. And as Google Deep Mind says towards the end, we’re not sure if this

19:51 can kind of stand the test of time. Could somebody change the design and erase that mark, erase that signature? We still don’t know. We’re still very early in this process. Here they give a very specific reason why something like this might be important. They’re saying this layer is especially vital to DNA synthesis screening, which sits on the front lines of biocurity. Converting digital protein designs into physical molecules requires placing an order with DNA synthesis providers who screen requests against a database of known threats. So for example, historically an

20:22 unfamiliar sequence may have been safely assumed to be an undiscovered natural organism. So before something unrecognized comes in, it’s probably something that exists in nature and has existed. We just haven’t seen it before. But now that is potentially no longer the case because AI can create entirely new sequences with little resemblance to known hazards. So synth bio can provide an automated verification signal, right? It’s saying like this came from a safe model. It has various safeguards. So this is okay. So let me know what you thought about all this. And finally, we

20:54 have had a number of old historical letters that have been unsciphered. So to give you an idea, this is some of the letters that they’re trying to figure out what the heck they say. And a number of these have been sitting in various museums and places and no one really knew what they said. One example is this, the Marmmont cipher from 1809. So this was as part of a war that Napoleon was involved in. This has been unread for 217 years. And so the first line is written in plain French. And then the

21:26 cipher starts. And so it was thought that there was just nothing to work on. There wasn’t a cipher text, right? Some sort of a thing that kind of explains what the cipher means. So that was not published anywhere. So they could not break this message. And they used the Astra model for for this one. And there’s another letter that was broken by Fable 5.1. So the Astra model used actually vision in order to transcribe text. and it started scoring each candidate plain text against French letter statistics like three, four and five grams drawn from Hugo Duma and Mormon’s own memoirs. So there’s a

21:58 certain combination of words, you know, it could be three words that tend to go together, four or five words. There’s certain words that kind of cluster together. So by drawing on the memoirs from those times from how people wrote back then, it started kind of uncovering clues as to what the cipher could be. Next was finding the word signs. So certain short words instead of writing out letter by letter there was a sign for that specific word. So like writing the letter U, instead of spelling out U would be an example. I’ll leave a link

22:28 if you want to go through this step by step. There’s a lot of stuff here that’s I’m not familiar with how to break a various ciphers. But in the end, Astra was able to figure it out. And here is the decrypted letter in English as you please. So a letter that no scholar was able to solve. no published solution that we could have used, but we give it to Astra. And again, that’s a model that everyone has access to. And Astra sits there and works for 10 hours and at the end is able to solve it. This kind of

22:58 confirms to me that there’s probably so much problems and issues and and things out there that’s that could be solved or uncovered or improved. It’s just no one took the time to sit there and meticulously work through it and figure it out. What happens when we put, you know, an infinite number of these AI models to work? You know, making the perfect cup of coffee, going through all the history text, all of our understanding of biology, understanding of math and physics and just everything like how many things are there to uncover where we we had the data, we we

23:30 collected the data, we collected all the clues and evidence and whatnot. We just didn’t have enough intelligence applied to it over a long enough period of time to get those insights. So, I have a few projects that I’m working on kind of not in secret, but I I haven’t shared them publicly where I’m applying some of these latest models, Astro specifically, to do some pretty exciting, some pretty cool stuff that I know not a lot of people are doing and that hasn’t been done before, as far as I can tell. So, let me know what you think of this. Are you working on some project that Astro

24:01 or some other frontier model kind of unlocked? It does feel like it’s a whole undiscovered world out there. Like what new things can we learn if we intelligently apply these models to something that just has never been thought of before? Anyways, let me know in the comments if you made it this far. Thank you so much for watching. My name is Wes Roth and I’ll see you in the next